Congregation
Introduction by Claudius Cl: I come to you as Claudius superficially, so
that you have a contact partner over here, but at the same time I come
in my whole function, with my whole consciousness. My task at the same time is not only to answer
your questions, but I also act over here as tutor in a kind of study
group, that means, as I already have mentioned before, quite a lot of
spirits learn from our discussions with you, and this is an important
assignment I am willing to fulfil. There are very inquiring spirits over here, not
only lay people, but also, you would say, highly intelligent spirits,
having played important parts on the earth plane in science, economy and
other areas of life. They are all here to learn from our conversations,
and since principally now our work went into a different direction in so
far that more and more spirits from our side are interested in it, so
that individual spirits around me are now able to talk to you as well,
we should find a new term for our team over here: Congregation, this
would be adequate. A (Adelheid): For you the meetings do not take
place too often. Over here it is different, over here the Congregation
is existing constantly. Not that every member of the Congregation is
always present, but the team always exists. Not everybody is present
when we converse with you. If necessary it is sent out a thought impulse
and the team gets together automatically. It is not only that topics are discussed with you,
but we over here discuss topics amongst ourselves as well, perhaps with
a different focus, more oriented on spirit spheres. And in addition when
your impulses reach us, your thoughts, than we also discuss these topics
over here like you handle that in earthly conferences, where everybody
present speaks freely. E: Now we assume that you all still
have a memory, so that you can remember. A: If we want to. E: If you want to, that means if we
assume that a group gets together to discuss a certain topic this group
would have the ability at a later meeting to remember what was discussed
at the last meeting. Could we assume that you draw on the contents of
the first discussion, or would you just leave it and take on a new
topic? A: It is retrievable, but it is not that
everybody’s opinion is still the same, because other aspects might have
occurred in the meantime. It is similar to your earthly conditions. Of
course all this applies to special groups over here, it is not that
everybody in spirit constantly is interested to communicate. There are
some that do not converse at all, they have different interests. But a group like ours always is in contact with
one another, there is constant interaction, because the structure of the
spirits is suitable, it is the mental attitude. E: Yes, that is difficult to
understand, because we always make comparisons with our earthly
meetings. We have to be physically present, you don’t. A: This is not the case over here. E: Yes of course. Cl: The Congregation team has got an exceptional
position, since different levels work together, which is not ordinary.
So that this group works in a “special area”, where from different
levels impulses are bundled. W: We sometimes use in the English
language the expression ”Diagonal Slice”, figuratively a cut through
various consciousness levels, representing various levels. Cl: Yes, there are possibilities over here you
can’t imagine, and this group here is one of these possibilities, one of
the many possibilities, one that is extraordinary. E: Could we assume, Claudius, that
this dialogue for instance, concerning more or less factual questions
from our side, is being partly perceived by the whole group? Cl: Yes, of course, at any time. If it is
necessary that one of the communicators needs support, than it is only a
thought from other spirits that slips into the conversation. All what is
said by the spirits communicator is covered by the whole team over here.
Not one in the group would disagree with what is said. Spirits in our group represent their individual
manners, but in co-ordination with the group. We are connected through a
spirit network. All thoughts by an individual spirit are absorbed by the
group. And if there is help necessary and backing up is
requested, the group automatically is alarmed and gives support. E: An interaction. Cl: Yes, within the group everybody brings in
their individual version. The terminology might be different, but the
sense is the same. Spirits might answer your questions in a different
way, but the content is the same. Principally everybody in the team
could answer your questions, but for you it is more interesting to talk
to experts if certain topics are concerned. A: Our group is a special one that is only in
contact with you in this special way. From this level we only have
contact to you. If somebody else on your side asserts to have contact
with us, with Claudius or Adelheid for instance, then it might be on a
different level. Do you know what I mean? AE: Yes, dear friends, in our realm Albert
Einstein is a spirit as any other over here. On this level different
laws dominate our being. Here different laws are accepted in regard to
your earthly origin and background. You might not be able to conceive
this, but in our team there does not exist any professional pride, ego
or motives that are self-seeking. This is the reason why we are in this
group (the Claudius Congregation) together in harmony and right order. It is our desire to talk to you. It is not so that
it is only your privilege to talk to us, but it also is vice versa, it
is our privilege to talk to you, because humans are rare that are
prepared to listen to us and are interested in the topics discussed with
you in this circle. I will not use the formal German ”Sie”, since we
are already acquainted in this small circle. I will use the “You” since
I am as well familiar with that and since it is much easier to converse. RE: What was the reason you came
tonight? BH: (Burkhard Heim) I had the feeling I was
called, there was an attraction to talk in this circle tonight. I anyway
would have come, perhaps another time, but the topics and the current
discussions attracted me. In our group over here we too still have
different opinions, but we do not have quarrels. Cl: You have to take into consideration that
principally the opinions merge and it could be that spirits have the
same opinion but it is brought over to you individually in different
expressions. I could have answered to the last question myself, but
probably we at the end would have ended in a different discussion. W: Of course. Cl: Perhaps we would have chosen at the beginning
the same topic, but we would have ended somewhere else, because I am
more settled in philosophics. Cl: I feel quite obliged and it is a pleasure for
me to also help other spirits to converse with you within the
Congregation what might otherwise not be possible. We stay in close contact to each other and in
harmony so that it is blessing for me to converse with you within our
team over here. There are besides these contacts to you other
areas where I have assignments. To explain this would go beyond the
scope of this discussion. If you are interested we could talk about this
at another time. W: What we discussed in our circle
here was the question what have spirits in common to be affected on your
side when we send an impulse. Could you try to bring near to us what is
common amongst the Congregation members, what have the individual
spirits in common, that they respond to a certain question? Cl: The Congregation consists of spirits, the
inner core of the Congregation, that, you would say function on the same
wave length, that means the content, the body of thought, if we at all
could talk about thoughts, also the mental intellect – that does not
mean necessarily earthly qualifications like mathematics, physics or
else, they have in common the spiritual advanced consciousness which
has, as we discussed before, to do with the release of the ego. Therefore all spirits involved have the ability to
answer your questions. and will give you some names so that you get an
idea – AE, OL etc. – these are only examples, all together
there are of course many more, and as you already mentioned they have in
common a collective consciousness. Other spirits that are invited in the Congregation
team once in a while, are for that time being part of it. We welcome
them as temporary members. They have a similar structure to yours
otherwise they could not communicate from our spheres to you. After the
communication they return to their usual levels. W: Yes. Cl: I give you an example. Let’s say the visitor
that was here over a while ago, is not part of the inner core of the
congregation, but he is interested in what we are doing. For that he
came, but he normally is at home in a different area of the spirit
world. The number of the Congregation members is not
determined. It varies if spirits are figuratively step into a different
level. Not every member of the congregation converses
with you. There are also in respect to communication passive members. W: What is the difference between a
higher consciousness and a lower consciousness? Cl: We do not consider it in that way. It is only
vocabulary to convey to you the difference between the various
activation steps. Higher or lower does principally not exist, because
the perimeter of the human consciousness is for everybody the same and
non-varying. You can only activate for the given situation a certain
step of the consciousness that is at your disposal altogether.
This applies to us as well. W: Yes. Cl: If we talk to you about a “higher”
consciousness then a spirit in question has merely activated their
consciousness where others might have not activated theirs yet. It is
necessary to leave out the judgment. That means a so called ”higher” consciousness is a
further elimination of ones ego. W: Is it the actual criterion to
release the ego? Cl: To realise the ego and consequently serve the
community. W: Yes. W: Are there certain principles of
abandonment in the direction of more community? Cl: You would perhaps say more in the direction of
almightiness or something what some people understand under divinity.
Then basically almost your whole ”Consciousness of Self” is dissolved.
But at that point we are not yet. It is something we practice to get
ready. Cl: If the reader of this website asks, you are
able to pass on what we try to tell you, but directly to put yourself in
our position is not possible. If a person is honestly interested to investigate
the spirit realms than he will find it most interesting what we convey
to you. W: It was a problem we discussed in
our circle. We of course suggest the Congregation as something
consisting of various entities and spirits that all have their own areas
of activity and now via an impulse are organized into a team. This means
time is involved if we consider an earthly impulse. Cl: This impulse, which you might consider as
thought, exists principally not as something that happens. “IT IS”, it
is something that in “this moment” is activated. To explain it is very
difficult, and for hat reason we use the term “impulse”, because it
comes the nearest to that what actually happens. For you it is only
possible to imagine it in sequences, for us there is no time involved. It is a situation that already “is” which is
activated through an impulse. It is not that we are spatially separate
over here, as you are on earth. You always have a picture in mind, and this is
quite all right. Karin would like to see us spirits within the
Congregation around an oval table to chat with you. W: Yes. (amusement on both sides) Cl: It might be quite disillusioned for you that
it is totally different, we understand that. The multidimensionality
makes it possible that we are principally simultaneously all over the
spirit world. But this is another topic. Cl: Yes, disillusioning, since it is not like
that. W: Difficult to grasp. W: Since you in one of the sittings
offered to tell us more about the members of the Congregation, this
would be a good opportunity today. Cl: You want to know who is participating. W: Yes, what kind of spirits. Cl: All kinds of spirit entities, but mainly of
course those that are interested in our topics. They are spirits that are interested in topics you
are interested in: the understanding of coherences, interhuman
coherences, also philosophical topics. They are interested in discussing
circumstances concerning earthly life as well as life in our spirit
world, etc. W: Is it an open group, has it got
open borderlines? Cl: Yes, there are no boundaries, you know. Sprits
that do not feel free in our environment, do limit themselves. This is a
self-adjusting factor. W: Yes. You said spirits with “
higher“ consciousness also immerge. Cl: Yes. W: Is this a support for the
Congregation or how would you describe it? Cl: Yes, you can see it like that. Cl: It is a labour of love, if you at all want to
use the word love. W: Yes, I can accept that. Cl: You might ask what is the benefit for an
advanced spirit to step down to a different level. Nothing directly, but
it will still strengthen his consciousness. But in our area this is not
the reason to have an advantage, since we do nothing for selfish
reasons. W: Since you are already a higher
spirit within the Congregation, do you realize when a further spirit
like you steps in to participate in your work? Cl: Yes of course, the halo is much … W: ... brighter. Cl: We illuminate each other, but I usually put my
halo down, because in the meantime it is quite heavy because of the huge
size. (amusement on both sides) W: Illuminates the whole room. The
recognition probably is possible. Is it then in some cases a surprise? Cl: No, you are principally within the thought
pattern of the other spirit, because we both join a collective
consciousness, in which we are still self-aware, but principally it is
kind of oneness. And this also applies for all the Congregation
members. I am able to adjust at any time to spirits from different
levels. It is similar to the situation when you talk to a
high-school graduate. You converse in a total different way with him as
if you would do with a primary-school pupil. You have to adapt to the
child. It is more difficult the other way round, to converse from a
deeper level of consciousness to a higher one. E: This would have been my next
question. How far are spirits amongst themselves transparent to each
other, as long as they still are self-aware? Cl: Yes, we are transparent for each other. There
is no limit for spirits that have activated their consciousness at the
same level. E: Yes, yes. Cl: If you meet at the same level with similar
spirit structure than principally everything is possible. W: Then you are fully transparent
with all your heroic deed and non-heroic deeds? Cl: If necessary, yes. Out of fun we would not spy
on each other. W: Only if there is a need. Cl: Yes, there must be a requirement, although we
do not hide any secrets from each other. No one here is a “good” or a
“bad” boy; we do not hide anything from each other. Still there exists
an ethical guideline for protection of information. On the astral plane it is anyhow not easy to step
into other areas. Here also a requirement is necessary. W: You said you are a tutor. Can
you describe it to us? Cl: Yes I have taken over the function to keep
together the team of the Congregation, since some co-ordination once in
a while is necessary and advisable. W: Well, against 2000 years it is
difficult to cope. Cl: What I would like to mention. Your friend
Nikolas Kopernikus is also member of the Congregation, but he is not a
big ... W: ... communicator. Cl: ... not a big communicator, yes.
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